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Wed, Sep. 1st, 2004, 10:36 am
jenny_evergreen: Pulling in the shingle...Or not.

Much to my disappointment, this idea hasn't taken off well at all.
On September fifth, the www.truthfaith.org url will expire. I've been unable to come up with a new name for the faith, and have been unable to raise much interest in working on the faith. I don't want to leave this to languish, so I'm planning on closing down.
I'll probably leave the site up for a few more weeks, because I did have one "iron in the fire" as it were, but that's about it.


And so I posted this and then I went wandering the net.
And I found a name that isn't taken and will do.
But...I need to know...what is missing from this faith? Why, exactly, does it fail to draw you, yes, each individual you who is reading this? Don't worry about what you think I think. Tell me what YOU think, what YOU feel, tell me what is missing or what is there that alienates you/feels wrong/etc.

Please.

Wed, Sep. 1st, 2004 05:17 pm (UTC)
jenny_evergreen

Note to self: Faith should be celebratory!

Wed, Sep. 1st, 2004 06:42 pm (UTC)
acelightning

first of all, might i ask what the name is?

i was trying to put into words why i feel that Truth Faith wasn't taking off. my first thought was that it just doesn't have enough emotional resonance for me. but, as i was thinking that, i realized that a big part of it has to do with not having ever actually done it, and the metaphorical light bulb went on above my head.

i think that's what Truth Faith (or whatever else you decide to call it) needs: you need to get a few people together, and actually enact some of the ceremonies. that way, you'll get more of a gut feel for what works emotionally, and what's nice in theory but lacking in impact. and i really wish i could be part of this in person!

Wed, Sep. 1st, 2004 06:55 pm (UTC)
jenny_evergreen

Emailed...I'd like to avoid mentioning it in public just so that, if it gets taken in the next few days, I'll know it's a complete coincidence. :)

*nod* That's a good point...but I'd also love for you (and anyone else) to share things that you feel would make it have emotional resonance for you.

I don't want to make any attempts to get anything started locally til I have a very firm foundation, since I risk losing my job by doing so. And, of course, the ceremonies that exist already have resonance for me...

Wed, Sep. 1st, 2004 11:07 pm (UTC)
acelightning

i wasn't thinking of you "going public" with it just yet. what i had in mind would probably be more like a Wiccan Circle, with just a few of your friends. but i know you've mentioned that you have very few geographically accessible friends. also, i've just read every post to the community since you started it... and only the water ritual is described in any detail at all. so i don't have a lot to go on, to tell what might have the right emotional resonances for me.

however, i would suggest that you and Tom should get together with at least a couple more people, in the flesh, and enact a ceremony, just to sort of "test drive" how it will feel.

Thu, Sep. 2nd, 2004 12:16 pm (UTC)
jenny_evergreen

*nod* Outside of family, I have two geographically accessible friends. (Great term, btw.) And they wouldn't be able to do this sort of thing with a straight face, I think.
Thanks for reading it! *nod* It's not a ritual heavy faith. What you see is pretty much what you get. I'm open to adding rituals, though. (Although I think most rituals should be of the "if you want to do them" variety, rather than required.)
I suppose part of the issue is what people come to religion for. I tend to think they come for a guide, for comfort and for answers, and for belonging.
I think, right now, the "belonging" part is missing...but I'm not sure whether that's because there aren't enough people actually adopting the faith, or because there's something lacking in the faith itself.
I have given a sort of test drive to the water ceremony with just Tom, ages ago, and it worked for me, but, then, it would. Feel free to test drive stuff and see how it works for you, that might provide some valuable information. :)

Thu, Sep. 2nd, 2004 05:24 pm (UTC)
acelightning

*nod*
i think you've hit on it there - the "belonging" aspect of religion isn't there, because there aren't yet enough people to "belong" together. once you have even a smallish group of people with similar intent, rituals start tending to invent themselves.

Thu, Sep. 2nd, 2004 05:52 pm (UTC)
jenny_evergreen

*nod* *sigh* The problem is figuring out how the heck to get that group together...my efforts so far having been pretty unsuccessful.